The culminating wallop that turned the trick for Clay was much similar to that which ended the bout with Liston in Maine, a blow which many spectators didn’t observe and referred to as “the phantom punch.” Those who sat around the ring can testify that it was truly delivered and did land where it did most for the winner. I also think it was a very poor acting job from Liston’s side. A witness said, “I saw that punch, and it couldn’t have crushed a grape.” But it crushed Sonny, and his career. Reactions: Mokey, Paintman and Debi. The arena had been thoroughly searched by a New York City bomb squad. I recall many journalists stating in days after the May 1965 fight that no movies existed. The furor over the fight started the year […] When Liston knocked out Floyd Patterson for a second time just 22 months earlier, he, like almost everyone else, believed that he would rule the sports world for as long as he chose to. The knockout occurred with less than half a minute to go in the round, and it is highly debatable that a man with Walcott’s skill could’ve very well lasted the rest of the round. And after reading the book, you might come to the same conclusion that I did. We want some salty language and good-natured exchanges. May 17, 2020, 2:19 PM. Sonny swallowed his immense pride and chose life over death. Apart from trainer Johnny Tocco and former champ Emile Griffith, Liston may not have told anyone else what really happened that night. Maine was at the center of one of the biggest boxing scandals of all time. The theories weren't unfounded. Phantom Punch may refer to: . They have her and the boy. It is, as slow motion shows, a short right hand to the face—an eight-inch chop, really—that follows an ineffectual left … A Phantom Punch in Kronos occurs when an employee forgets to punch out for job one and on the same day . Whether the punch was a jab, a hook, or twisted fest, it was not strong enough to drive Liston unconscious. “Get up, you yellow bum. Other episodes of the series were released on VHS in 1995. The story is irresistible. I’m thinking Walcott remembered how hard the first fight was with Marciano, and he just wasn’t going to put himself through that again. Joined Jul 29, 2015 Messages 40,722 Reaction score 29,410 Points 203 Location Virginia, USA. Ideology had nothing to do with people’s opinions of him. Debate raged about the punch that ended matters. The myth of that punch in the second fight between the men not only refuses to die, it's making a comeback just in time for the 35th anniversary of the bout, May 25. This was the second fight between Ali and Liston that took place in Maine and ended in the first round after Ali threw what has since been called “the phantom punch.” Liston's management wasn't shy about their mob ties, and Liston himself was reportedly deep in debt. Re “Ali would never have approved of any of this had he known about it” Yeah right, that’s why he didn’t say something like “i don’t know what the hell happened” but instead made up the thing about the secret karate punch. Film Television show Game Sport Science Hobby Travel Technology Brand Outer space Cinematography Photography Music Literature Theatre History Transport Visual arts Recreation Politics Religion Other episodes of the series were released on VHS in 1995. This “phantom punch” left Lewiston with a black eye — a black eye that would have been Boston’s if the fight had been held at the Garden, as originally scheduled. Muhammad Ali’s phantom punch has us scratching our heads 50 years on. Now I see that there is a movie. Halfway through the first round, Liston threw a lazy left jab. Motivated Mike Tyson had one of the best chins in the HW division against Razor. Losing his title was bad enough; having people think the title meant so little to him that he would sell it added insult to Sonny’s injury. Looking back on the history of professional boxing, you'd be hard pressed to find a sporting moment more controversial than the one that occurred at Lewiston's Central Maine Youth Center on May 25th, 1965. In 1965, Ali and Liston were two of the most despised boxers in history. SemperBlotto 16:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC) "The Ali-Liston rematch became known as "the phantom punch fight". Boxing fans wanted to see the real deal. Was it a hard punch or..was the fix in? “It’s the Black Muslims. Forty-nine years ago in Lewiston, Maine, Liston found himself in the middle of a dangerous situation over which he had absolutely no control. Because of the important victory that the punch gave Ali and the mystery it continues to spark today, the Phantom Punch is one of the most iconic punches of all time. A video showing one of the most heated debates in boxing ever. They never saw the knockout blow — … As I have said before when I read Paul’s excellent book. I have my own take on WHY Kennedy was assissinated but he was assissinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, it is as simple as that. Terez Paylor breaks down why he feels this is the best sports conspiracy of all-time. Liston took a dive, that is all, he said eff this, I’m taking my money and go him without working up much of a sweat or taking punches from this young kid. Until we believe I want my questions answered first. Its relative isolation and low population makes it one of the last places you’d think of for, say, a major sporting event. Lots of fighters opt, correctly, to stay down. When Ali converted to Islam, his story was all about ideology, and his was one for which most people had no frame of reference. Don’t you think one of them would have at least many years latter when there is no fear to say so?? If we feel comments are offensive, the post will be deleted and continuing offenders will be blocked from the site. To Liston’s family and friends, it’s called the Nightmare in Lewiston. Flying Phantom, disambiguation, Phantom II, Phantom Punch, Pittsburgh Phantoms, Furness Phantoms, Lehigh Valley Phantoms, Kansas City Phantoms, Phantomsmasher This is a movie, waiting to be written and filmed. The first four episodes of the series were edited into a feature-length film and released on VHS in 1994 and 1996 (and later on DVD in 2004), called Phantom 2040: The Ghost Who Walks. But let's keep our punches above the belt... Sonny Liston —The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights. The backdrop for the fight was the stuff of which movies are made. “The Phantom Punch: The Story Behind Boxing’s Most Controversial B The State of Maine is viewed by many as the hinterlands, a far-off outpost on the edge of civilization. Via the Bates Student, November 2. Liston was on the mat. Even the most ardent Ali worshippers if they were being honest would have to admit Liston took a dive. Yes the black Muslims fixed this fight, and yes the mob was probably in on it. Twitter pays tribute to Muhammad Ali. Ali called the blow that led to Liston's defeat a 'phantom punch.' the 2 Report this Content. Sonny Liston was set to try and win back his heavyweight championship title from Muhammad Ali, and the atmosphere was electric. The onetime toughest man in the world crumbled to the canvas as if he were giving a safety demonstration on how to fall without hurting oneself. The punch that ended the second fight of Muhammad Ali versus Sonny Liston; Neil Lefner's iconic sports photograph of Ali taunting the stricken Liston to "get up and fight"; Phantom Punch, a 2008 Sonny Liston biopic starring Ving Rhames; Phantom Punch, the fourth album by Sondre Lerche People have long since forgotten that Liston was still the betting favorite. Muhammad was off-balance when he threw it. 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